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This might be not a popular suggestion, but what do you think about making the Kampfgruppe Hansen “SS Panzer Grenadiers” the core infantry unit of Verbrannte Erde.
Replace the normal SS Grenadiers with them. And here is why:
1. It is a shame that they just don’t get used, at least not before the very late game and even if many matches are over before they get called in.
2. They would fit the core unit of this doctrine perfect, they even use the doctrines symbol as their unit symbol.
3. The Waffen SS atm has a huge problem with its starting inf dealing with the allied ones, I know SS Grenadiers are going to get a buff, but that would work too (of course only for Verbrannte Erde, SS Grenadiers still needs a buff for Wunderwaffe).
4. Last but not least something I’m a fan of and I’m always try to improve Wikinger with by telling you those things, it would add a surplus of value to the doctrine and Wikinger (especially since I never see them on the battlefield, sadly).
Feel free to add your thoughts and opinions.
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Im undecided on this to be honest. I agree it would be nice to see more of them in game, however I also know we don’t want to have to rebalance the entire doctrine. VE also gets mobile pioneers and Black Cats. What do you think they should lose as a trade off for strong starting infantry?
PS: Their upgrades could be blocked behind other upgrades to avoid being OP early too.
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A complete rebalance of the doctrine was never my intention, but good point. Without adjusting them to their new role they surely would be the best starting infantry. First of all they are that powerful because they are already fully upgraded (except the Panzerschreck). Due to this it would be necessary to change the armament to Upgrades (Riflegrenade, 2x STGs, MG34 (right now a MG 42), M1 Garand?!). Furthermore you probably need to take a look at their stats and adjust them.
-> “PS: Their upgrades could be blocked behind other upgrades to avoid being OP early too.”
However, since the SS starting infantry for Wunderwaffe and VE needs a buff imo it wouldn’t be that kind of a big deal to integrate them.
Concerning the “VE also gets mobile pioneers and Black Cats”, I don’t think that there is a need to change those units in any way, if the SS Panzer Grenadiere get adjusted in the right way. If any then most likely the Black Cats, but they also should get a nerf owing to the “elite units nerf”.
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Personally I don’t like it. Panzergrens are elite infantry, and giving them to SE early seems a little out of place. Grens are the basic units of OKW, and I think it should stay that way.
If anything they should come in with an earlier call in, like maybe a squad with the captured firefly, but that’s it.
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Well, I’m fine with the fact that you don’t like the idea and I don’t want to change your mind since it’s a personal choice, but I want to respond to you points.
First I don’t see a problem with the fact that they are Panzergrenadiers. They are no elite infantry just because they are Panzergrens, they may be in the mod since they are a call-in unit, but that is exactly the point I want to change.
Grens are atm only the basic units of Wunderwaffe and Verbrannte Erde, yeah I know IW also has its grens but 1. they aren’t german Grens and 2. it’s a completely different infantry system with IW. Additionally to change them from a Grenadier to a Panzergrenadier isn’t that kind of a big deal.
Last but not least the problem with making them to an earlier call-in unit is, that it most likely would imply a change of the Techtree, which isn’t asked for at the moment. But that is a point only a dev could talk about, however they seem to be rare these days on the forum. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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